Now say we disregard those two questions- well then, I'd say in order to truly give this idea a shot, we'd have to turn the clock further back, to before the Punic wars. If hegemony was not inevitable, perhaps our fellow Historum member Guaporense's theory about the Fall of Rome will come into play: Without a sole political entity dominating a civilizational sphere, perhaps the weight of that polity would not drag the society down.
What I mean by this is, maybe the lack of a single state on either side of the Euphrates and the continued breakup of the Seleucid Kingdom would give the Civilization some more time to exist. After this thought, the rest is simply speculation. We do have one more scenario I can think of: what if the Parthian realm expanded, while the Roman did not?
What would this lead to? A total domination by a single polity originating in Transoxania of the entire Greco-Roman world? Maybe that entity would split up into many autonomous mini-kingdoms with a King in Seleucia or Antioch as only a figure-head, much like several circumstances in China.
Maybe even, the geographical distinctions between Mediterranean and Continental makes this political domination of both sides of the Euphrates implausible. Who knows; at this point it'd all be patched together guess-work. Gmann said:. Apr Palace of Knossos. I imagine that the Hellenistic kingdoms would survive for a couple of centuries and then, perhaps merge into a single kingdom that would eventually become the Byzantine empire.
However, there's no way that Rome wouldn't look eastwards when they had conquered all the western Europe. May Without Roman meddling, Seleucids very probably take Egypt. And that was after they were defeated by the Romans and lost all their holdings in Asia Minor. And much of their later troubles can be attributed to Roman interferences. So it's pretty possible that Seleucids and Romans would co-rule the Med, instead of Parthians and Romans.
Interesting Stark, but didn't they lose Babylon and Mesopotamia to the Parthians pretty soon after that?
So do you think that the real reason that the Seleucids lost Iran and Mesopotamia to the Parthians was because they had already been weakened by Rome's meddling?
Micheal Weston. Jan Braavos. Without Rome, teh Greek City states would probably continue to fight among each other along with Macedonia; Egypt would survive like it always did.
Last edited: Apr 3, Speculative History Apr 12, what was most significant cities conquered By Rome? Speculative History Oct 17, What do you think would have happend if Rome never conquered Gaul? Top Bottom. What if Rome is conquered by the Caliphate. Mar 20, What if Italy never conquered Rome? Apr 12, In Alaxander's compaign to the East, he reached the border of China. But when he wanted to continue to China, his men told him it was an unknown area, and that they don't want to go in such a place.
And therefore, Alaxander went back west, but unfortunatly died because of a disease he caught on the way. What did Alaxander plan? Conquering north africa? Building his navy for continental conqeurs and sea domination? Or maybe, fight the uprising empire of Rome? And in non-militarilistic intentions, maybe building up economy, and stablizing his great empire to be united. It would be interesting to know what Alaxander would do if he wouldn't die in such an early part of his life, and which he acheived much more than anyone else in that short life time.
Clear your mind. But history shows that people good at war arent good at politics. Infact his best freind tried to kill him. Standard for any conquest unless we look at what the Romans did who Killed and murdered people within cities and displaced them.
Both methods work, Alexander used the Greek system of using a symbolic Military Authority. Overtime the Military would allow for the establishment of civil Administration.
Something that was evident in almost every Greek Colony in that initially there were battles, military and finally civilian control over the army. It was a progressive thing that probably needed one or two generations to become solidified. I think Ptolemy of Alexandria Egypt for example did a splendid job he laid down an iron fist, took a backseat role and worked on a sytem of administration that the Egyptians could understand eventually passing that system onto his children.
Now if it was Roman way they would just Kill, takeover tell everyone its Gaeus's way or no way and begin executing anyone who didnt comply. Given that the West often associates with this primitive method suggests a long term impact that this method has on the way people think from these places. Latin Romans, Stalin, Ottomans, Hitler were certainly in the same category regarding their idea of administration.
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The greeks of this time was not a nation in that sence, but a colective of city-states that shared a comen relidgion and sence of culture. The major conficts of this time are the pelopesian wars, and ended into the Helenistic age with Alaxander of Maceadon coqering and uniting The Greek states.
What I wonder what if Alaxander never united greece. I think if Alaxander never conquered Greece, Greece would be stable civalization. Therefore they would be well perpared and ready to fight off Roman expantion. If you realy think about it Alaxander destroyed Greece. He just conquered too much too fast. After he died all of his empire was split up amoung many heirs, which subsiquencly fought each other for dominece.
I think the romans were able to strike hard on a preocupied greece, and conqer. Also what if Alaxander was defeated. Would the Greeks fight off rome and then conquer it? To what kind of europe would we have that was made from a loosely afiliated empire? How dramaticly would the world change?
Would the Ottomans gain power in a Persian empire? The world would be very difernt if the greeks were left in power. CzarTom Mere Mortal. NotSpecified Mere Mortal. Please login or register.
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